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Geoff Olynyk's avatar

This has been one of the major debates within environmental/decarbonization circles for decades (where I’ve spent my career; now in nuclear power)

These two schools of thought have many names but I like “Dark Green” and “Bright Green”. Where “dark green” is the idea of living smaller, more constrained lives to solve the problem, and “bright green” is the idea the technology will get us out of it. In its extreme, it’s sometimes called “ecomodernism”, where energy use is “decoupled” from environmental impact. And thus one of the most popular nuclear power podcasts is called “Decouple”.

Obviously, the bright green future is the more appealing one, and far easier to sell politically, as Jeff points out here.

In reality, I think it is going to take a little bit of both if we’re to get there and avoid the worst impacts of climate change.

That said, my observation is that as soon as people realize that climate policies will have even the *smallest* impact on their consumer choices of way of life, they immediately punish the politicians that promulgate dark green policies. So you have things like in the US, Biden going basically only for bright green policies (dropping even modest Obama-era dark green policies like low-water appliances). And here in Canada, where our current (Trudeau) federal government went much heavier on dark green policies — well, just look at the polls. They’re at like late-Carter levels.

So I think the result is that we’re going to get the bright green policies only. Long run I do think technology will save us, but things are going to get pretty bad before 2050. Continued rampup of heat, extreme-weather events, global climate migration. Not the end of the world, but it will get bad. I also think that “geoengineering” (sulphur seeding in the atmosphere to cool temperatures etc.) is pretty quickly going to go from unthinkable to, the base plan.

Yglesias has written about this too, also urging Dems to drop all the Dark Green stuff. Politically it makes sense!

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Katrina Gulliver's avatar

I was more intrigued that this guy who wrote an anti aircon book 14 years ago managed to use that hook to get a NYT oped now!

(and his whole "we wash up by hand, we hang the laundry outside" - I'm reading a lot of "my wife" into that WE).

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