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So my brother works for a fairly big company in a fairly high up position. His company just started really hammering "diversity." Instituting the Rooney rule where at least 2 candidates for every positions interviewed have to be "minority" (whatever that means) I would say he feels about this about the same way you do Jeff. It's important but it's also, a lot of times, statistical noise.

So he went through his companies hired and, well... His company is already around 15-16% black. and the US population is 14.2%. They're already doing better than the demographics. But it is all about appearances. But if his company says "Hey we already do better" then they will still get raked over the coals for not doing "enough." Except "enough" is never clearly defined.

The problem is it's also patronizing to just interview people based on the color of their skin. Their hiring process was ALREADY working.

What I really think the issue is in this country with all the super progressives is this; There aren't enough black people to go around and they can't make up 14% of EVERY job. This isn't a racism problem it's a physics problem.

There literally aren't enough black people for every one of these industries and colleges to hit their perceived "quota." Also, for a multitude of reasons. Black people like diverse and different things. I think you talked about it with improv. You can't just make black people like improv.

Though I concede that diversity in government appointments is probably a good thing. The theater surrounding it is the patronizing part. PLUS it just makes people wonder. They don't want to wonder, but they do. This has always been the problem with quota hiring. It causes distrust and suspicion and in the end just leads to more racism. Basically people start getting suspect if the person you're hiring or interviewing is actually qualified or just black. Which is a terrible position to both be in and to put someone in (The NFL actually has this problem with token interviews) . I grew up in an area, sadly, where it was commonly accepted that being white made it HARDER to get a job. (which was nonsense that I grew out of quickly thank goodness). But that attitude comes from somewhere. Mostly it comes from under-educated working class whites paying 5% attention to the news and seeing very, very bad messaging.

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McJunker's avatar

Small tangent to backtrack to “abolish the police” for a sec.

I work a blue collar job in Los Angeles. Given its nature, its location, its pay, and its place at the entry level of the organization, it is overwhelmingly black and Hispanic; I’m literally the only white guy on the crew. I’d guesstimate about 1/4th are recently released convicts and this is the only job that would hire them in spite of their record.

The conversation weeks ago swung around to “defund the police” somehow. The consensus was interesting. They universally hated the LAPD and considered them roughly equivalent to a gang with a badge- casually violent, bullies, pricks, trigger happy, no oversight. But they also thought “defund the police” was the stupidest thing in the world.

The contradiction was resolved thusly: “Police will brutalize a [person of color] over nothing, but the thing is, there’s some [people of color] who *need* to get brutalized. Problem is these police don’t fuck up the right people.”

I suspect very few progressive activists live in neighborhoods where people do gangsta shit right outside your door.

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