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South Dakota Flag Pole's avatar

You might want to re-edit the first few minutes of this podcast. Some woman giving a speech in the background wtf

Jeff Maurer's avatar

Yep, sorry, it’s the Harris/Henson clip I play later in the episode. Will fix.

South Dakota Flag Pole's avatar

your hyper-vigilance is appreciated

Jeff Maurer's avatar

Fixed. Unfortunately I can’t alter the version you got in your email but the version at imightbewrong.org is right.

Or So It Seems's avatar

Submarine 51 would be an amazing name today.

'Hey, have you been to that trendy new bar?'

No, what's it called?'

'Submarine 51.'

See what I mean?

JorgeGeorge's avatar

Growing up in Laredo Texas in the 1970's we had competing beer joints called B-17 and

B-29.....

Ken's avatar

Jeff, do you really think Harris is a a dolt? Uninspiring, yes, but stupid? I think she's a pretty smart person.

Shimmergloom's avatar

Kamala Harris is a rocks for jocks type person. Not smart, not articulate. This I hear from someone in her campaign, who has written speeches for Biden (who used to be very articulate).

Sean's avatar

That recording of Harris reminded of this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f8PXvqYpGCM

Sometimes uninspiring dolts work out. Gerald Ford being an uninspiring, kind of milquetoast figure who was seen as a decent guy by everyone proved to be good enough choice when Nixon resigned.

It’s been a while since 2020, but I find in hard to believe that the democratic bench of good black female candidates was that small. Was it a failure of imagination? Did they not look at their house delegation? State houses? Local governments?

I think Rice and Demmings would have been better options.

Susan Rice was without a doubt the smartest on that list.

Karen Bass has a long history of being an apologist and useful idiot for the Castro regime.

Matt Benson's avatar

The Washington Generals win sometimes. The last time was January 5, 1971. (No joke I looked it up)

JorgeGeorge's avatar

Was not expecting a good submarine joke! Nice job!

NY Expat's avatar

“The age limit for talking about a romantic relationship is 18”

Why you gotta dis the Stray Cats like that?

dbistoli's avatar

i’m going to have to disagree that kamala coming out against biden policy would have resonated anywhere. I don’t think ppl even kept track that much. This narrative caught on between writers who are middle of the road dems that kamala could have been forceful against some biden policy choices and that would have been a win. We have no idea or proof that this would have worked. All of it may have collapsed surrounding trans commercials.

perhaps tho it would have been good for her to have a separate persona with clear preferences and desires and i do agree she never likes to take a position. People do notice that. I think immigration was salient, but it was already painted as her failure. I think the trans one was the big thing tho

Shimmergloom's avatar

She could have said something anodyne and simple. "The Afghanistan withdrawal was handled poorly." (Like: no shit.) she could have continued on: "We fired one person for that debacle, and that was the guy who went on TV two weeks before and said it was going to be a clusterfuck." "That was bad. I want accountability in my officers, and will stand for nothing less."

I mean, that's an easy win.

Even easier: "We should have sent non-solar-powered chainsaws to North Carolina. That impeded disaster recovery, for no known net good, other than "ecology points." And mama's insulin doesn't care about "ecology points" that FEMA is getting."

(Disclaimer: ecology points are an entirely made-up concept attempting to encapsulate the social credit that a bureacrat gets for being "green" in a Democratic administration).

Or, you know, walk a little bit on the wild side. "I think that we could have repaired that bridge in Baltimore a little faster."

dbistoli's avatar

all that’s true but i don’t think she would have won doing that.

i do think had she made more of her preferences known period, and not been so ambivalent, and projected a stronger personality, she may have

Shimmergloom's avatar

It's indicative of a completely unprepared person (and campaign). It is not hard to "have something in the current administration" to disagree with, if you even pay attention to the news. "I want to be President" isn't good enough, you have to know what you want to do with the position.

You're right, that having something to say there wouldn't have won her the election (probably. She might could have said something about Palestine that might have worked.) But it's such a bad sign about her campaign.

dbistoli's avatar

i would not agree with that, no. my guess is she’s very prepared. It shows lack of confidence.

Shimmergloom's avatar

Like, what, "oh shit this wasn't focus tested!"

If she was very prepared, why didn't she have a damn policy position? Hillary had policy, Bernie had policy, Obama had policy... Kamala Harris had "I agree with all democratic positions, everywhere. Don't ask about Palestine."

dbistoli's avatar

she had plenty of policy. She had a pretty thorough health care plan. She gets state fright, but also nobody cares about health care plans during election season.

Shimmergloom's avatar

From a guy in her campaign: she lost at the first debate (Yes, I know people claimed she won...). At the first debate, she turned off black male voters HARD. And she needed every vote, in order to win the general. So she starts hauling out Obama, and the black men's response is "you ain't my daddy."

I don't think she has preferences, other than "I win and get to be president." (not as silly as you think. Trump took until mid-October 2016 before he believed he could actually become president. Until then he was content with playing the heel for hillary).

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Or So It Seems's avatar

May we hear the evidence underlying this conclusion?

DG Price's avatar

A man with her talents would never have been in that position since Old Man Biden promised to pick a woman VP. So: a man couldn't have lost.

QED

Lucid Horizon's avatar

She lost, in part, because of the many people who dismissed all criticism of her as being about her womanhood, and the many other people who noticed a pattern with the first group and are very tired of it.