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Tom Hitchner's avatar

As someone who was around for the runup to Iraq, at least when war boosters would say “but wouldn’t it be good to get rid of a leader as evil as Saddam?”, they had the rhetorical advantage that it was clear we could actually achieve that, and we soon did. When boosters today say “but wouldn’t it be good to get rid of the regime?” or “wouldn’t it be good to keep Iran from getting a nuke?”, they aren’t saying how this war will achieve those goals. It’s just like, here are goals that would take a war to achieve, we are fighting a war, ergo we are fighting towards these goals.

Geran Kostecki's avatar

"isn’t it a problem that Trump has made it clear that he actually wants Iran to pump oil — he’s letting them sell oil right now during the war! Strangely, both sides share a goal: Iran wants to sell oil for money, and Trump wants them to sell oil so that gas prices are low. This undermines Trump’s leverage"

This. Seems to me the moment we didn't stop Iran from selling oil when they stopped everyone else, we showed we didn't "have the cards". There is no value to endangering marines taking Kharg island - all we have to do is say we won't allow any Iranian ships (or ships that paid Iran) to pass through Hormuz unless Iran does. An important part of this plan is starving the Iranian regime for income. Now they're making way more than they were pre-war. If we weren't willing to deal with gas prices going up a couple dollars to overthrow the Iranian regime then we shouldn't have gone there at all. This is why we aren't supposed to have wars without consulting the people via congress - war always sucks, and you need buy in, otherwise you're screwed.

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