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Vlad the Inhaler's avatar

I've lived in the US most of my life but did spend several years in London and, as my (bad) luck would have it, my time in London featured a medical crisis that engendered extremely intense familiarity with the NHS. There are huge pros and cons comparing the NHS (public care, public funding) and the American system.

The huge pro for the NHS is, of course, the utter lack of concern over payment. My crisis involved a family member continuously hospitalized for more than 6 months, with lots of specialized treatment along the way. When it was all over, we just... walked out of the hospital. No need to talk with a billing supervisor, no hellish second act in which we tried to figure out how to prevent the bills from bankrupting us, nothing like that. I will never stop being thankful for that part of the system.

The huge con for the NHS is just how under-resourced the system is compared to the American system. NHS buildings, even hospitals, are almost shockingly shabby compared to their American equivalents. NHS facilities run out of basic supplies in a way that American hospitals never would (at one point we were staying in a NHS flagship hospital, which didn't have the resource constraints of most NHS facilities, and a nurse remarked to us that it was "rather royal" there because they never ran out of gauze pads or syringes). And the comparatively poor pay for doctors and nurses means that the NHS really struggles to recruit and maintain staff, in a way that impacts both wait times and quality of care.

US healthcare is much more expensive than other systems in large part because we've developed a system of providers and facilities that demand much more money than other nations. It's not all inefficiency and greed; we really do have a system that is higher quality in many ways (and that's not even touching on the fact that the US system effectively serves as the world's R&D center for new treatments and technologies, which US consumers pay for and the rest of the world free rides on). I don't think the US strikes the right balance, and am a fan of either state or national level single-payer options. But it's nonsense to suggest there are no tradeoffs, or that other nations' systems are obviously better.

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As a comedic article this is a good exaggeration of the extremes out there. On a somewhat more serious note, this is what Norwegian health care looks like:

1. The national government owns and operates the vast majority of hospitals and most specialised clinics. Most health care is covered by taxes, including a lot of drugs, but with an annual co-pay limit of around 300 US dollars. When I recently had an ear infection, my antibiotics weren't covered under this co-pay rule, but they weren't too expensive, only a few ten dollar bills. ERs are run by the national government.

2. The county governments own and operate a lot of the dental health clinics. Dental is not covered by the government, and is essentially completely privatised but with a public option. The county dentists do provide free dental to children, and now the Socialist Left Party has negotiated funding for 75% deductions for adults up to the age of 28 from next year.

3. The municipal governments run some basic family health clinics, own and operate most of the GP-offices, and run most elder care as well as long term care for people with with serious lasting health issues and cognitive developmental disorders. There's often some form of co-payment in all these, but they all mostly have the same annual co-pay limit as the national health service. Urgent care is municipal.

4. Private health care exists on all levels. There are private specialised clinics, private hospitals, private GPs, private dental, and private care homes. Some of these private institutions work within the public health services, some exist as almost completely parallel services which are mostly funded by employers. Some key companies are Aleris, Dr. Dropin, and Volvat.

The private insurance sector mostly exists for high paying jobs and/or key leadership positions. The quality of the public health services is mostly pretty good, but as with almost all public health care wait times can be an issue, so the private health insurers allow for "jumping the queue".

The OECD reported nearly 8000 US dollars in per capita spending (PPP) for 2022, whereas the US was at 12,500. Our lower spending probably has little to do with it being a mostly public payer public provider system, and more to do with it being a coherent system. The Netherlands and Germany both have private providers and private payment, but lower per capita spending than both Norway and the US.

One major issue with Norway's health care system seems to be income for health care professionals. The exhausting nature of the work, combined with relatively high education, means we're lacking qualified workers in large parts of the country, and due to taxpayer funding simply raising the salaries to attract workers isn't as simple as it could be in the US.

Edit: Also, as a listener of Colonel Andrew Heaton's podcasts, I feel obligated to point out how European health care is taken care of at the country level. There's the European Health Insurance Card which guarantees free or affordable health care when visiting another EU/EEA country or Switzerland, but otherwise health care is a national thing, not a (con-)federal one. As such, if the US were to emulate Europe, it would be a mistake to think the Norwegian or Dutch health care systems could be placed onto a continent sized country of 330 million people, doing it on the state level is essentially a must.

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