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Daniel Muñoz's avatar

“Deport people here illegally who commit serious crimes” also seems like a bit of low-hanging policy fruit.

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I appreciate what you’re saying - and I agree that immigration was a vital part of American history and will be vital again - but I think you’re missing a lot.

Immigration hasn’t always been a huge part of the US. We alternate between times of high immigration and low. The low periods often correspond to periods when people, for valid reasons, have had enough with the high periods. We’ve just left an unprecedented high period of illegal immigration. I think Democrats are just going to have to leave this topic alone for a generation. And above all stop talking about how important it is that we get back to high levels of immigration.

When Ds DO talk about immigration, they’ve got to stop with two of the arguments you bring up here: the “don’t arrest illegal immigrants who are just peacefully working” or “illegal immigrants who have been in the country a long time.” If I were to bet I’d put a lot of money on these two arguments to be the next two to collapse in the public’s mind.

“Peacefully working” (and its cousin “but they arrested him AT HIS JOB”) is not a valid excuse to be in the country illegally. If I go to France - or anywhere else on earth - the rule isn’t that I can work as long as I don't murder anyone. It’s just not how immigration law works. Americans don’t WANT people to work illegally, at least not in the numbers we’re seeing. Again, for good reasons.

And the “been in the country for a long time”… right or wrong, right now it feels like illegal immigrants are in the country for a long time because the system for deporting them is so broken that you can just skip court appearances with no repercussions, or make terrible asylum arguments and keep your court dates spinning, and next thing you know it’s been ten years and you’ve got a pre-formed group of activists saying that it’s too late, should have done it earlier. If we want to pass some sort of amnesty bill, it needs to be done quietly, and it’s going to have to have republican support.

People are pissed, for good reason, and I suspect they aren’t going to listen to the Ds if they try to explain how, this time, they’re going to get it right. We’re just going to have to deal with the subject being toxic for a long time.

That Bryan Caplin article from the other day - is that what inspired this? - was hilariously bad and ill-timed for today’s moment. Its basic message was “mass immigration does wonderful things for wealth and productivity overall. Yes, there are always some losers in the process - why not make them Americans?”

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