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Mari, the Happy Wanderer's avatar

I am a liberal Democrat, but I am increasingly frustrated by the “Who are you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?” vibe of so many invocations of “the science” in the liberal media, especially as regards trans women in sports.

Everyone has observed that men are almost always significantly stronger, larger, and faster than women. As just one example, last summer my college-age niece stayed with us for a week. She is a college gymnast who also runs track, and so she is very fit. She had a giant suitcase that she could barely lift. But her cab driver, a small man in his sixties, could pick up the suitcase with one hand and sling it into the trunk with no effort at all.

So when the NYTimes et al. tell us we are wrong about phenomena we observe every day all around us, it is maddening.

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FionnM's avatar

I mean, it's true that "telling obvious lies about transgender issues and other topics is wrong, because it provides Trump and other populists with ammunition with which they can credibly attack mainstream institutions".

But sometimes I wish more progressives were willing to finish the sentence above before the "because".

Telling lies isn't just PRAGMATICALLY wrong, in that when you get caught telling lies, it compromises your credibility and makes it harder for your preferred candidates to win elections and in turn makes it harder to get your preferred policies in place. It's also just flat out morally wrong. You shouldn't deceive people. You shouldn't tell people things you know to be untrue. You shouldn't tell people things which are TECHNICALLY true, but phrased in such a knowingly misleading way that any reasonable person would come away from them with a misapprehension of how the world works.

Jeff, I understand that you, personally, recognise that telling lies is morally wrong, but you're playing up the pragmatic angle in hopes of persuading your fellow-travellers that telling lies isn't in their best interests.

But I worry that focusing too much on the pragmatic angle might in itself be counterproductive - that some people might come away with the message: "so you're saying we shouldn't tell lies if they'll come back to bite us in the ass, but telling lies that WON'T come back to bite us in the ass is A-OK? Sweet!"

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